Evaluating What Defines You with Priscilla Shirer

We are in our third week of celebrating our 5th season with this re-release from Priscilla Shirer. This woman is always full of gold nuggets. We first had her on during the release of the movie Overcomer. If you haven’t seen it yet, you’ll want to check that out. If you are walking through a tough time and if you are in need a refresh on how you look at God this conversation will inspire you!

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Julie Lyles Carr: I’m Julie Lyles Carr and you’re listening to the AllMomDoes podcast where we are in celebration mode. We are now in our fifth season. So, whether you are just joining us for one of the first times, or you’ve been with us the whole journey, I am so thrilled that you’re here. And as part of that fifth season celebration/ I’m going back and selecting some of my favorite interviews that we’ve had through the years and this one, oh, wow. She is someone with so much class and grace and wisdom. It is an absolute delight anytime that I get to have her on the show. Take a listen to this episode from the absolutely incredible Priscilla Shirer.

Julie Lyles Carr: Thanks for coming back to the show.

Priscilla Shirer: Thanks so much for having me. I’m really grateful.

Julie Lyles Carr: Well, we are so glad to get to talk to you and catch up. I mean, the last time we talked your boys were a little bit younger. You were taking a pause from some things, trying to figure out where you’re going to say no, where you’re going to say yes. And, and here we are about a year and a half later, and you’ve got a new movie and book coming out. There’s been lots going on.

Priscilla Shirer: There has been a lot going on, but honestly, mostly just raising these boys, still trying to figure out a different way to cook chicken for dinner every night, and laundry, and all of those things that come with, you know, being their moms. So, they’re the, the boys are the oldest, two are teenagers now. So, we’ve just got a few years of high school left and I’m really not wanting to miss that. So, we’re home a lot. We say no a lot to outside things, but then there are some things that were ever able to sort of weave into our life while not missing sort of, just this incredible season that we have, that’s going so fast with the kids. So, it’s been a great journey and we’re excited that God continues to let us play a small part, you know, in what he’s doing in this generation.

Julie Lyles Carr: It is, it does go so fast. I mean, my number six just turned 16 last week and I, she’s five years old and my head, like, I can’t quite figure out how are we doing the driver’s license and all that at this point. So, it’s yeah, you’re right. It does go so incredibly fast.

Now you’ve also had quite a year. I mean, you have been through a whole lot personally. You lost a beloved cousin, your mom’s had some health issues, and in the middle of this, you’re amping up for the release of this movie, Overcomer. What has that been like to have to walk in a season that’s been so tough, and yet, because of the platform God’s given you, it’s also been kind of public. How have you navigated through?

Priscilla Shirer: You know, it’s actually been refreshing in a way to be very clear on the fact when you, you know, when you can tie some of the things God is doing in your ministry to some of the personal things that you’re facing, and recognize that connection, then it really actually becomes encouraging because you see God’s fingerprints all over it. You know that the Lord is going to encourage you. You know that he’s going to give you hope. You know that he’s going to continue to extend to you the joy and the peace and all the things that you need to continue to do what he’s assigned to you to do. And we’ve seen that to be true. You know, it’s in times like these that are difficult, where you find out whether or not you really believe that God is who he says he is and that he can do what he says he can do.

While it’s difficult, and while there are hard moments where you grieve, you know, losses or diagnosis or that sort of thing I’ve seen my parents’ faith remained steady and our faith remained steady. And despite the difficulty, it’s been a good thing to just see God in a brand-new way and see his work and our lives in a brand new way.

Julie Lyles Carr: What do you think will come out of that and walking that through? Do you feel like there are going to be projects and messages that come from that? Because it is interesting sometimes in those crucibles of really hard time, come some of the most profound things that it feels like he wants us to share. Do you find that to be true?

Priscilla Shirer: Absolutely. And I’m sure that there will be messages or illustrations or personal private things that right now are just quiet time notes in my own devotionals, that the Lord will sometimes cause to leap up off the pages of my private journal and become a message that I feel like he wants me to share with others.

And so, I’m looking forward to that. I’m looking for to any way that God is already working out, that he’s going to be getting some glory through this. Some of the stuff that has happened to us in the past year and a half, we’ve lost three or four family members back-to-back and then diagnosis with my mom and all of that. You know, the timing of all of that. We just can’t put our finger on, of course, why the Lord would allow certain things to happen. But what you do know is that he’s working it out in a way that will glorify himself and will be for your ultimate. Good. So, I’m just sort of sitting on the edge of my seat, waiting to see what that is, and just trusting.

Julie Lyles Carr: Absolutely. And you bring up journaling. I think that’s so powerful because when I look particularly at the book of Psalm. Not all of the Psalms were written by David, but many of them were, and it feels to me like a journal where David does record the things that are going great. And then he’s also really honest about the things that are challenging.

So how can people approach this idea of journaling through even the hard times in ways that they feel the freedom to do that? Because I think sometimes when we have hard questions with God, when things are going really sideways from what we thought, we might feel a little, a little limited in what we can actually say or what we want to put down on paper.

How do you navigate that? You’re walking in honor to God, but you’re also walking in honesty in the place where you are in your journey.

Priscilla Shirer: Well, I think that’s the way our relationship with the Lord is always supposed to be. I mean, I’m thinking back to, you know, thinking back to Job and Job asks questions, and Habakkuk asks questions, and they were didn’t understand why God would allow something.

And you see God not rebuking them for the questions. Not rebuking them for that authenticity. He knows us, he knows we’re human. He knows that we have concerns, and that life is hard. He’s tender with us in that regard. So, I think a journal gives you the opportunity to put voice to some of those things, but also to have a record of them. See, that’s the good part about writing that I can look back to 10 years ago. And when I’m flipping back through those entries, and again, I don’t journal every day, it’s not even necessarily something that is a, you know, a daily practice. So, I don’t think we have to be enslaved to doing it a certain way, because then it becomes a burden more than a blessing.

But when I look back to sporadic notes and thoughts that I was writing down between me and the Lord, things that I had in my heart, that I wondered whether it was something God would have for my life, or things I was requesting or, or ways I was hoping to experience him or disappointments that I was voicing.

There are also records I can look back on, where I put a date. I went back and put the date down and where I saw God answering and moving in regard to that request. Or maybe I’d forgotten all about the request, but now 10 years later, when I look back, now I can put a date down because I have seen proof of God’s response. And that right there serves as a track record that builds my faith for the future. Because I’ve seen what it’s done in the past.

Julie Lyles Carr: So good. So good. How do you discern when that line is where something that’s been very private between you and God now has a place and the timing’s right for it to have platform?

I feel like sometimes in our ministries or when we’re in our small groups or we’re, we’re navigating something challenging in life, it feels like sometimes we’re a little too early to begin sharing what’s going on or processing too publicly what’s going on? How do you discern when the time is right to be able to disclose some of those things, the lessons that you’ve learned?

Priscilla Shirer: Yeah. You know, I don’t know that there’s a settled answer to that because I think that it changes depending upon the circumstances surrounding us surrounding that particular passage of scripture, or that conviction of the holy spirit or, or that message. There are some times where I know people are not able to share things that they would like to share because the other people that, that authenticity will affect our present, and that it’s not fair to those other people. And so, that’s sometimes is the restraint in what we share and what we don’t share. But oftentimes it’s just, when you know, you and God are still grappling through it, when you know, you’re still wrestling with it in yourself then until you have not only clarity about it for yourself, but when you have fire. That’s the only way I can describe it. I think it’s like a fire in my soul that makes me think, makes me feel as though I can’t not share it with people. It’s when I get to that place that I know that this has gotta be something that I speak to people. Whether it’s an event, blog, or whether it’s writing a blog on my site, or whether it’s just a 30 minute message that I’m sharing. And then it dovetails and ripple effects from there, because sometimes it’s a 45-minute message, but I can tell that I have not nearly scratched the surface of what needs to be said. And a lot of times that’s when I know it needs to then become a book or a Bible study, something that we explored.

Julie Lyles Carr: And I love that willingness to let it, to let it simmer for a while, and to really see when it has all the flavor that it needs to have in order to really be the most nutritious to those people that we’re supposed to share it with. I love the wisdom too, of making sure you’re not going to be a negatively impacting those who might be part of that story. That takes a lot of wisdom to make sure that we’re not jumping out ahead and I love your thoughts there.

Now you have entered again, the movie land. We, we talked about this last time you were on the show, but you have once again, gotten in front of the camera this time for a film called Overcomer. How did you decide that you were interested in this project?

Priscilla Shirer: Well, I was interested in it because I was so grateful for and have been so grateful for the Kendrick brothers. They have stewarded these films so well and use them as tools to draw people to the Lord. And so, I knew when they called me to ask me if I would participate again, that I, what I did know, even without knowing the full story, what I did know was that it would have technical excellence and it would be unapologetic about the gospel. They do not sugarcoat or water down the name of Jesus. And those are projects that to me, are something that the Lord has called us to. So, what I act in, you know, just random films? Am I an actress by trade? No, but will I take on a project that is really just another form of ministry? Absolutely. It feels like a gift and an opportunity to be able to share a message in a way that goes further and broader than anything I could do on my own.

I mean, think about that. There are only certain kinds of people that are, that are going to pick up a book or are going to come to a women’s conference or, or go to, you know, come through the doors of a church. But almost anybody will go see a movie. So, it’s an opportunity to reach people in a way that I probably could not on my own.

Julie Lyles Carr: And the Kendrick brothers, they did War Room with you, which a lot of our listeners are going to be very familiar with. And it’s a set of three brothers. They write, direct. They do, I mean, I think that’s incredible. This trio of brothers who are so talented and do all of these things. In terms of production, did you have to travel to them? Where did you do both primary shooting? What was that like for your family?

Priscilla Shirer: Yes. Well, you know, with War Room, we filmed in North Carolina, so we were there for an entire summer, my family and I. With this one, we were in Columbus, Georgia, which is just about an hour and a half outside of Atlanta. And we were there for, just my role took about two or three weeks. So we weren’t there as long, but it was still a great opportunity to just become entrenched in the filming process.

I love my boys being able to be around the Kendrick brothers and on set. I see so many different kinds of people with different gifts and talents, that are all surrendering those to the Lord for his purpose.

Julie Lyles Carr: And what do you do? Your, any of your boys seem to have an interest in filmmaking or storytelling in this way? Are there some of them that seem to love the technical side, the videography side? What has that been for them in terms of clarifying where maybe they have a call in their life?

Priscilla Shirer: No, none of them have shown a specific interest in that, but what they have shown interest in and what they have had their piqued by, is the way they’ve seen the Kendrick brothers weave their faith on the, to the stage of their jobs. So, every day the cast and crew gather for devotions every morning at 7:00 AM. It doesn’t matter if you’re a grip or a camera operator or a lighting technician or an actor. We all gathered to surrender the day to the Lord and be encouraged and pray together.

And then they’ve watched the others stop filming in the middle of the day, right before filming a scene that they think will be a seminole scene, and that could really draw somebody to Jesus, they’ll stop and bring everybody in to say, let’s pray over this scene before we film and really ask God’s spirit to be upon him. So, seeing that dynamic grown men, bringing Christ to bear in their workplace, that is something that has marked my son’s forever, and me.

Julie Lyles Carr: Well, it’s not lost on me, Priscilla, that they’re getting to see this front row experience of three brothers doing such an incredible ministry and work together, and they are three brothers. So, I’m going to be really curious to see what they think moving forward, getting to have those experiences. So give us the elevator pitch on what Overcomer is about, what is the story?

Priscilla Shirer: It’s around a main character named Hannah and as a 15-year-old girl, who’s struggling ferociously with identity issues. She just has a sense of lack of significance and value compounded with the fact that she’s a teenager, is the fact that her family life is difficult, and she’s being raised by her grandmother because her parents are not there. And so, she’s grappling with that. And then you have another layer where a man named John Harris has placed a significance in his career and his career is stripped away from him. His job is stripped away. So, he is decimated because his value was in his job and then he didn’t have it anymore. Then you find another character, another layer of the story, where there’s another gentleman whose value is stripped away because his health is taken from him, and without help, he doesn’t feel like he can be value, instrumental in anybody’s life. And so, he’s questioning his value. So, all three of these stories converge in a beautiful, creative, emotional way that really does ask the question of the audience, where have you placed your significance? What have you let define you? Like money or a relationship or the applause of people?

Well, then you’re going to be disappointed and devastated at some point because all of those things change. So, we have to anchor our identity and our the sense of worth and value in who God says we are, not an external things that can change.

Julie Lyles Carr: I find the story line of the coach really compelling because he’s been the successful coach and then things go sideways. And so essentially the, the one position available to him is for a sport that he doesn’t feel equipped for. He not passionate about it. And, you know, I think. I love that in our churches and our faith communities, we’re trying to help people understand what their spiritual gifts are. We’re wanting them to find significance and purpose and how God created them, but sometimes it feels like we’ve almost overdone it, because if we have something where God asks us, and has an assignment for us, that doesn’t feel like the most natural fit, that doesn’t seem to align with those things that we would call our passions and our drives, we can sometimes tend to want to avoid those.

So through this story of the coach, what do you feel like you learned? What were the insights that you gathered in terms of how sometimes God will place us where we really don’t think we have any business being?

Priscilla Shirer: Well, you know, welcome to the story of my whole life. And I look back on the journey that the Lord has had for us, pretty much everything that I’ve done have been things I felt ill-equipped for. I remember when Lifeway asked what I considered doing video-driven Bible studies. My first response was you mean what Beth Moore does? Absolutely not. I can’t do that. I remember thinking that about writing when moody publishers at first called and said, hey, we’d love to sort of have you craft a message. We heard you teach on something that we think would be a great book. And I said, oh my goodness, are you kidding? I’m not a writer. And then when the Kendrick brothers called and asked, would I be in War Room? My first response was absolutely not, but I can give you the names of some great actresses that I think would be awesome in that role. And that’s exactly what I did.

And so, I continue and I’m so grateful to run into people who call out of me, things that I don’t feel equipped to do. And it’s kind of like a Moses Joshua situation, where Moses looks over and sees a Joshua and says, actually you can lead this whole ship brother. So, let me put you in the line of fire so that you can recognize the potential that you don’t even know is in you.

And we need people like that. That is who Olivia Brooks in the film is to John Harris. She says to him, listen, this is where we need you. This is where you are very capable of rising up and stepping up and being who we need in the situation. And, you know, without belaboring the point, that’s why the body of Christ is so important. Like actual literal church life, because there are needs within our church that the Lord makes us compassionate about and sensitive to. And he calls us to it. When we start filling those holes within the body of Christ and being what we’re supposed to be to the body of Christ, then oftentimes we end up discovering ourselves and how he has equipped us to edify God’s people, in ways we never thought we could.

Julie Lyles Carr: Absolutely. And, you know, I’ve said before, within church life, within faith community life, you know, I don’t know that anybody has the spiritual gift of cleaning the kitchen, but guess what? We all live here. We’re all going to clean the kitchen, just like we do, you know, in our homes. There are those places in needs and things that show up that we are blessed when we do serve in ways, even if it didn’t show up on our spiritual gift assessment, that willingness to step into those things, I think is beautiful. And I love that your character in the film, Overcomer, Olivia Brooks, is that. Person making that call to coach John. I think that’s really powerful.

You know, another component of the film talks a lot about discipleship and mentoring and, and those are, you know, they’re real buzzwords, but I almost feel like they feel a bit ephemeral in the church today. Meaning. I don’t know that we really understand sometimes, what healthy discipleship or mentoring looks like. I think for some people, they think it’s someone to always pick up the pieces for them. I think for other people, it means almost like an on-call counselor at all times of day. How do you break that down in your understanding of healthy church life and how is that represented in the film?

Priscilla Shirer: Yes, it’s definitely not codependency. That’s not what it is. It is someone whose life has opened up to you and who you have agreed to open your life up to. So, it means that you are gleaning. You are learning, you are watching, you are receiving from somebody who’s walked the path, whatever path that is, whether it’s motherhood or marriage or navigate their relationship with the Lord, following his will, hearing his voice. You’ve seen someone navigate it well, and you want to be able to have them as a sounding board as you grow up in that particular area. That’s what mentoring is. And it’s necessary. It’s necessary for there to be someone who’s willing to reach back and say, I’ve been there. I’ve done that. Let me help you. As you raise these toddlers. Let me remind you of the things that I’ve learned along the way. Or you raise these teenagers, and it’s also necessary for people who are younger. And when I say younger, I mean less experienced in whatever area of mentoring you’re dealing with, it’s important for them to be teachable and have a heart that’s humble so that they want to learn, and they’re willing to be accountable. Elijah’s and Elisha’s. Someone who’s willing to reach back and someone who’s willing to reach forward, and together there’s a friendship that is mutually beneficial, and one where both emerge better off than they would be alone.

Julie Lyles Carr: I think it’s so powerful that you point out that discipleship and mentoring are not meant to be codependent. It’s not meant to be something that’s hyper controlling. It’s not meant to be something that is emergent, ER, kind of care. And so, how do we make sure that we’re either providing discipleship and mentoring that is healthy, not allowing it to get into those places that it can get toxic, or to amend our expectations about what discipleship and mentorship should look like? How do we make sure we stay in those places that are the healthiest?

Priscilla Shirer: Well, I think boundaries would be important. It would be as a mentor to have determined what makes sense for me in terms of how this person can, I can sew into their life, but I can do so in a way that doesn’t jeopardize the other relationships that are important to me. You know, the teenagers that I’m parenting or the spouse that I have.

How do I do this in a way that kind of folds into my life, instead of detracting from it? So, a lot of times I’ve seen, for example, married couples where a single woman comes and just emerges herself in their life. You know, two or three times a week, she’s just there for those dinner hours. And she gets to sit at the table and participate in helping with dinner and the cleanup and being a part of the family UNO game and just being a part of life so that it becomes less about pulling the mentor away from their responsibilities, and more about bringing the mentee in.

Julie Lyles Carr: I love that. My brother and his wife have just done a brilliant job. They live in Bloomington, Indiana, close to ICU, and they will pretty typically of a semester, have a guy or two or a gal or two from the university who exactly what you’re saying, they immerse those people into their family life. It’s not them having to create a night out to go get coffee with that person or whatever. They invite them in for the meal for the UNO game night, whatever. And to see those relationships through the years has been such a powerful example to me of that healthy place of discipling and mentorship. I just think that’s absolutely beautiful. Now, in the middle of getting this film already to go and being in Georgia and doing all the things, well, that seems like a great time to also write a book, which is what you did. So, tell us about Radiant, this book that you have coming out for teen girls and young women?

Priscilla Shirer: Something I appreciate about the Kendrick brothers is that they really are building these movies around messages. They pray for a man literally years before they finish a film. So, for example, when, when War Room was releasing, they told me the seed idea for this next film. That’s how long it is. And at least two years of that is them just praying and asking God for clear messaging. What is the message he wants to speak through this next film, and then for clarity on the story idea? And they are very, very serious and intentional about trying to honor God with that message. That being said, after someone leaves the theater, they want there to be resources that that person can have in their hands to help further steward the message.

So, they asked me with Courageous, the movie Courageous, to write the resolution for women. And then with War Room, they asked if I would write a book for prayer on, for women. And I wrote Fervent. And this time around, they came to me, and they said, Priscilla, our main character is a young woman. What would you say to a young woman about the area of significance and identity in their life? And so, I’ve chronicled that book. It’s called Radiant. And it’s very personal in the sense that I kind of looked back to my twenties, late teen years and some of the missteps and baubles and some of the things God taught me, comical stories, sad stories, things that the Lord used to sort of help me detach myself from the need to be, have the approval of people, or reach some standard of beauty that’s been set by the culture that doesn’t fit the demographic that I’m in and the way God created me. And to just relax and who he’s created me to be and who I am recreated to be in Christ. And so, I love that I had the opportunity to pen that book and then also Defined, which is a Bible study on Ephesians 1 & 2, which is the primary place where the apostle Paul just kind of trips over himself, trying to make sure that we as believers know who we are, and what we have access to in Christ.

Julie Lyles Carr: And, you know, I, I see so many times out there, we in the faith communities continue to talk about this idea of identity. How we need to make sure that we are clear on our identity. That we’re not saddled by things of this world, and yet being an active ministry myself, I still, it seems to be the number one thing that people struggle with the most across both genders, across all age groups.

You’ve, maybe you figured it out right now, but maybe once those babies go off to college, you’re going to be figuring it out again, because you’ve had a lot of identity wrapped up in that. For some people, it’s the career that has been the focus for so long, and that changes. I see a lot of times now, people who are having to go through succession experiences where they’re handing off a bene business or handing off a ministry, and it’s not going well because all of a sudden, so much identity is wrapped in it. Do you continue to see that identity seems to be this really challenge area for us, even though we seem to know at least academically that our identity supposed to be in Christ?

Priscilla Shirer: Oh, man, the way you just worded and described that is exactly right. At different ebbs and flows in your life. You will see it keep popping its head up because it’s going to be an ongoing issue. I mean, think about it, right from the very beginning, the enemy comes to Eve and says, did God say. I mean, he just wants to try to disprove in your mind what God has declared to be true about you and what you have access to. And so, it’s going to be a constant tug of war in our lives, and we have to keep reminding ourselves. You’re right, when the mother has the kids that go off to college, that’s a new era of her life, where she’s got to renew her mind again and reintroduce herself to who she is in Christ. And then, we see it, not only in individuals, but I mean, come on, we’re in an identity crisis as a whole culture right now.

And we see this most clearly in the fact that they’re wanting to redefine everything. Redefining genders, redefining family, redefining marriage. Everything is being redefined because we are not anchored in who God said we are. He’s already got definitions for all these things. And really only the creator should have the right to define and label and name his creation. And so until we come back to that sounding board, we’re going to continue to be a little bit lost as we are now as a generation. And just one other thing to your point, identity, it is very practical. It’s kind of like prayer where it’s this theorial sort of topic, but it actually means you’re supposed to literally talk to God. Like there’s an outcome, there’s a behavior effect. Right. And the same as through with identity. That we can just think of it as, oh, you know, I just believe what God says about me. Or what it means is today I’m going to make decisions, that aligned with that group. I am not going to let myself by the power of the holy spirit, make decisions that emanate from a place that is untrue of who I am.

So, if I believe I’m chosen, for example, that means that I’m not trying to gain the approval of other people. I’m already chosen. I’m already accepted. So, before I make this decision to accept this invitation, to tweet this, to post this, am I doing this from a place of insecurity and a lack of feeling, noticed? Because if I am, that means I am acting in a way that is in congruent with truth. And I am not the way I feel. I am not my past behaviors. I am not what has happened to me. I am not what I call myself. I’m not what other people have called me. I am who God said I am. So, today I’m going to make choices that are congruent with that truth.

Julie Lyles Carr: Absolutely. The only way that we actually make our lives match some of our Instagram feeds and the quotes and the things that we throw out there, is to go live it. That’s the secret to really live from that place where we are walking in step with what has been declared over us. I love that distinction that you make, you touched on.

Something that I thought was really very powerful, and that is this idea that the Kendrick brothers have this timing. This like four year or longer timing, where there they’re really considering what they’re going to do. They’re really thinking through, and then it happens. And I think sometimes we get impatient in our ministry cycles. What do you think the process needs to be for us to allow God to, yes, let that seed be planted, but then to also be able to allow it to come into fruition at the time that it’s supposed to?

Priscilla Shirer: Yeah, I think that God is merciful in that way. I’ve seen this so much in my life where I have waited until I’ve seen a convergence of, for lack of a better word confirmations. So, there might be something that is a seed idea or a thought, and I’m even working on it. I’m working towards it. I’m studying, or I’m putting words on paper, but I’m not rushing the process to flourish ion until I see that the Lord is beginning to weave a web of events that are laying out a platform for this project that has been in my heart.

I’ll give you an example. I wanted to write the armor of God Bible study probably six or seven years ago. I remember, I had two Bible studies on the table that I was thinking of writing at the time and ended up going with one in a million is the name of the Bible study that I wrote instead of the armor of God. And I remember being a little bit disappointed about it because I felt like armor of God was what I wanted to write, but I was steered in a different direction, once again, just because of those confirmations, it just seemed like that was the messaging that, that was standing out the most. That my editor really thought resounded with where women’s ministry was right now.

I had prayed through it with some other people. Fast forward to them, to the Kendrick brothers calling and saying, would you please participate in War Room? And would you write a book on strategic prayer, like a battle plan for prayer? I remember knowing clearly that that was the time when that armor of God Bible study that I already had notes on, I already studied for I’d already had some things paragraphs written, that was the time when I was supposed to actually publish that study. So, this is now five or so years after I’d had the original idea, but I waited until there were a convergence of other things around me that seemed to be like nods, little nods from heaven saying, Hey, now is the time to actually go ahead and put feet to this dream and bring it to fruition.

Julie Lyles Carr: I think that is so significant for our listeners to hear, because sometimes we put expiration dates on certain things, certain stirring, certain seeds in our lives, and I’ve done it. I know ministries that have developed, you know, slogans that this by this by 2010. Or, you know, they put some kind of date on it that they want something to happen by a certain time, and yet I think we can miss that incredible mystery that gorgeousness, that confirmation that you’re talking about, where, I mean, how perfectly aligned is that, that War Room and armor of God, those things of course were supposed to come together. They were supposed to be twins born at the same time. And yet how that could have been missed, had it all been hurried.

I think that is really incredible. And for our listeners to know, hey, just because it hasn’t happened with them in timeframe you were thinking, does not mean that it’s an invalid thing. But to, to exercise that patience is so incredibly beautiful. Well, Priscilla, what is up next for you? I know you’re just listening and praying, but, but what do you see on the horizon, aside from coming up with 27 new ways to make chicken for dinner, and making sure you keep those boys and shoes that are going to fit their feet?

Priscilla Shirer: Yeah, that’s exactly right, because that is a full-time job right there. But yeah. You know what? I am looking forward to writing on Elijah next. And so, I’m just kind of taking a breather from all the the year that we’ve had and just sort of going ahead into the fall with my football playing sons, and all that good stuff. And then I’ve already just started putting pen to paper slowly, but surely to write about this incredible prophet, in the Old Testament. We think about him mostly in regard to Mount Carmel and the faith, the prayer, that was able to call down fire in the midst of literally surrounded by adversity. And so, I want to talk about what kind of person can at some point end up on Mount Carmel, and in boldness, without insecurity and fear when surrounded by enemies, be able to have the kind of richness in their prayer life, that can call down fire from heaven. And so I want to talk about the backstory of Elijah. What kind of guy was he in the chapters before? And that’ll give us instruction as to what kind of people we need to be.

Julie Lyles Carr: Priscilla again, can’t thank you enough for being on the show and for all that you do to encourage us, and you are such an exceptional human being. It’s just an honor to be able to talk with you.

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